I'm not doing this. [6] While in San Quentin, Woods was unpaid for his work on Ear Hustle, though fans would often send him money. I get to see how they express love and tenderness and fear and frustration and how they posture and what's behind that. And when I was sitting in a county jail, you know, mentally, I pretty much divorced myself from that whole way of life in that moment, you know? Like, what - why were we on this path, you know? [16], Alfred I. duPontColumbia University Award, "Immigrants facing deportation, drug offenders and a former state lawmaker receive pardons from Gov. He is 49 years old. [9], In a Rolling Stone article about the show, Tana Ganeva called it "a fascinating, harrowing and also deeply entertaining look into life on the inside that runs the full gamut of emotions. Copyright 2018 NPR. [16] In 2021, Woods and Poor co-authored the book This Is Ear Hustle. So you look at the time wasted, and you look at, man, if I knew better or I should've did better. And I got out in '95. GROSS: And you chose Earlonne. But he was released in November after his sentence was commuted by California Governor Jerry Brown. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. GROSS: Who - give us an example of somebody who you spoke to who had been a victim of a crime similar to the one that you committed that made you feel this, you know, sense of feeling bad for what you'd done. Earlonne Woods, co-host of the popular prison podcast Ear Hustle, had his sentence commuted by California Gov. You know what I'm saying? [3], Woods completed his General Educational Development in prison, as well as vocational courses such as auto mechanics. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. And Nigel is also a professor of photography at California State University. Brown cited Woods'. You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. Your nephew, his son, Tyler, was born in 1994. E WOODS: In between prison - when I got out - Tyler had just been born in '94. He is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). California Gov. And the officer came back, was like, you're too tall for that name. And as they questioned the driver, the passenger officer seen tattoos and Tyler's face and started questioning him, made him get out the car. GROSS: Wait; so that means, like, you'd rather die than be E WOODS: Yes, yes. Woods learned of his commutation the day before Thanksgiving. Nigel is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. So I think I understand more the complexity and the pressures and inside I get to see men relating in very heartfelt ways. And he's standing in a group. Jerry Brown is releasing Woods from San Quentin State Prison after two decades behind bars. So you become accustomed to that lifestyle. POOR: You know, a kind of joy I never really experienced before - I mean, it's - you know, to be so happy for him and being in prison and not wanting to cry (laughter) - you know, trying to hold it together. I was hoping I could talk to you a little bit about it. He likes to keep his personal life private hence Earlonne has not mentioned any details concerning his marital status. Even though you can't do nothing about your past, you just feel embarrassed about even going down that route, even victimizing anybody. Woods said that the show chose the topic of cellmates for its first episode to ensure the show was relatable, since most people can relate to having a bad roommate. WOODSON: I used to work for the captain at CIW in the program office. I'll say I've - on the second term - so the first term is where I did all the solitary stuff. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who were previously incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. I mean, there's two likely outcomes if you're robbing drug dealers. Co-founded by San Francisco Bay Area artist Nigel Poor alongside Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams who were incarcerated at the time the podcast now tells stories from both inside prison and from the outside, post-incarceration. E WOODS: So I think that goes into, like, what they call politics in prison and where, you know, you may have certain prisons that it matters what you're in prison for like - and it's a difference on a race level. Williams was serving a 15-year sentence for armed robbery with a gun enhancement. And, like a lot of inmates, he's been thinking about this moment for a long time. [3] According to The Economist, by this time Woods was one of the most famous incarcerated people in the US. ERIN: No, I don't feel you're being unfair at all, and I don't ultimately know what my hesitancy is. They grow up literally., In Browns letter announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime., He has set a positive example, Brown wrote. You have to wear the same clothes all the time. And he was always ready to help. I have all the different people that I talk to as I work my way down to the media lab. FRESH AIR's executive producer is Danny Miller. And it was just - I just seen him slipping through my fingers because I wasn't there to snatch him up. I think my mother told me she loved Jesus more than she loved me. So sometimes it's important, and I can give you an example. "[12] Woods later traveled to thank Brown and interview him for the podcast. But I'd say a lot of people, particularly in law enforcement, want to look at the crime only, and that's really the big debate. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. Woods' sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to tell stories of life. So now we just have the opportunity to travel together, to do something like this together. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life . A post shared by @earhustlesq on Mar 13, 2018 at 8:35pm PDT. And I'm not even talking about physically intimate, but just emotionally intimate is against regulations. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College and completed many vocational trade programs. I used to sit there and ask God, "Like, why am I living if I have to die?" And I think at that age I was questioning God. I've never had a problem. And, Earlonne, again, I want to thank - I want to congratulate you again for your new freedom. Therefore, it is not known if Earlonne is single, dating, or married. Earlonne Woods is co-creator, co-producer and co-host of Ear Hustle from Radiotopia. "Ear Hustle" the phrase is slang for eavesdropping is a collaboration between Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both prisoners at San Quentin, and Nigel Poor, a Bay Area visual artist who teaches photography classes at the prison. I don't think I have the vision to see it. So I think what kept me sane is that I had the philosophy where, I am going to live to the best of my ability every day that I have left on this Earth no matter where I'm at. POOR: I'm so glad you asked about this. I'm not doing that. Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. But to hear the very next day that he was killed - and my mother is who told me. Her latest novel "The Friend" won the National Book Award for fiction and is about to be published in paperback. Namcy Wong. "Ear Hustle" features stories from prison told by prisoners - their intimate, honest conversations about family visits, cellmates, solitary confinement - conversations like this one between Earlonne Woods and his co-host Nigel Poor, who's not an inmate. And I just said, when you come back, you're going to be almost a free man. The show was still challenging to create, in part because none of the three producers had a background in audio production, but also because of prison administration red tape. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. And it's just about - you know, they accept anybody, you know? Or would you just as soon not know and just judge them based on what they present to you in their interactions with you? You're not really looking at the person. It was the first podcast to be entirely created and produced inside a prison. There's a story you did about how people like you from the outside who come in to volunteer - because you started at San Quentin volunteering teaching photography before you started doing the podcast Ear Hustle. Like, all of a sudden, you know POOR: We'll be like regular colleagues. SHAPIRO: Earlonne Woods is 47. E WOODS: And she even got mad at me the other day E WOODS: 'Cause I left dinner with everyone, and I went to the movies by myself to go see "Vice" (laughter). I don't know what tomorrow brings, but I know what's happening today and right now. Yes, he was quiet, but he was always present. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor: This Is Ear Hustle Some might say that Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods were destined to meet. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that became inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. POOR: You get a lot of calls from guys at San E WOODS: I get a lot of 15-minute calls from prison. So I was nervous at first to go in because, I mean, my head was full of all the images that, you know, of - from bad TV, bad movies, bad media about what prison was going to be like. All rights reserved. Ear Hustle was selected from 1,537 submissions, securing the funding for a 10-episode first season. When asked earlier this year what was the first thing he would do if he got out, Woods said, Take a bath. Earlonne was both host and inmate, but he was released in November after his sentence was commuted by California Governor Jerry Brown. And it was one of the restore justice symposiums. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. Tyler was sent to live with extended family. In November 2018, California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne's sentence after 21 years of . E WOODS: I, personally, would like to eradicate California's three strikes law because I think that there's a lot of people that's sentenced under this law, which everybody thinks is 25 to life. [8][9] Poor is a visual artist in the San Francisco Bay area who volunteers at the prison. You know what I mean? Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery. Im thinking about my mama, shes 70. Should we recognize the change, or once you did the act, that's who you are - your essence, your identity - and never to be considered? And then, I always say that, you know, a lot of people that volunteer - people like Nigel Poor, people like other volunteers that volunteer inside of prisons - are on the frontline of public safety because these are the people that's coming in and is trying to show you a different way of life or trying to help you understand differently, think differently. So Earlonne, let me ask you about ways you think you've changed since you were a teenager and were first put in prison. Can I ask how your relationship is changing now that you're both outside? Nigel is a professor of photography at Cal State. Earlonne holds an American nationality and white ethnicity. Trevor was wanted and was on the run. Just to be out there with her.. When he was 15, he committed his first robbery alongside his brother, who had transitioned from selling drugs to robbing drug dealers. He does not, however, expose his wife's identity to the public. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. Williams, 29, has served more than 10 years on a 15-year sentence for armed robbery. POOR: So I'm just going to be very blunt with you. He and Nigel Poor began the podcast Ear Hustle when Earlonne was a prisoner in San Quentin. While incarcerated at California State Prison, Centinela, Woods saw a documentary about the film school at San Quentin State Prison, and applied to transfer to that prison. We'll be right back. And that surprised me greatly. And we just had such great conversations. Earlonne Woods is a popular American podcaster. E WOODS: Right, right. So this is JERRY BROWN: It all goes to this point that something very bad happens, and people will say, OK, now we're putting you in jail for a very long time. T WOODS: One the 19 - November 19, 2013 - federal prison - we have phones, and we have emails. Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods are gifted storytellers, and their ability to draw intimate, authentic stories out of others is extraordinary. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. But I took way more from that person than $1. Don't be out there doing no robberies, none of that stuff. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. "[6], Multiple reviewers noted how funny the show can be, despite often dealing with serious topics, and how uncommon it is to find humor in media taking place in real life prison settings. And so I found out what you're in prison for. - like, was with him pretty much every day. Not at all. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. Woods was convicted of attempted second-degree robbery but because of the three-strikes law was sentenced to 31 years to life, most of which was served in prisons other than San Quentin. Earlonnes sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to share their experiences behind bars. Nigel, I want to play an excerpt of an episode that you were very prominent in. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. POOR: We can taste each other's food 'cause, you know, in prison you can't share food with people. He running with these hard heads. And it might help you. And my whole thinking, like, changed in that moment. E WOODS: Well, I mean, it's cool, you know? He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . And just listening to her tell her story to us and knowing that I've been in these type of situations or knowing that I've been probably on the other side of the gun or whatever the case may be and just hearing her loss, hearing her heartfelt testimony about this was really - it was shakening (ph), you know? I don't (laughter) take them for granted. In 1997, Woods was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. And a chase pursued. He went up there. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. Earlonne, tell us a little more about what happened to Tyler, how he was killed. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Nigel first went to San Quentin as a volunteer teaching photography. [2], Woods first went to prison at 17 for two concurrent convictions of kidnapping and robbing a drug dealer, and was released at 23. T WOODS: You know, he was ripping and running with the gangs. Once the details concerning Earlonnes marital status are available we shall update. Why am I doing this? Woods has served 21 years of a 31 to life prison sentence. Jerry Brown. You know, he calls me. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College and completed many vocational trade programs. Like, what was all this for? This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. They're waiting to get inside a club, and somebody from way across the street just shoot into the crowd, hit him in the heart, right? And then Trevor was arrested when their son, Tyler, was 10. And it just puts you in a whole different space, you know? Therefore, Earlonne earns a decent salary as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. You were OK with that? [5] The show features interviews with inmates who share their stories and opinions on topics like cellmates, solitary confinement, race, morality, pets, religion, gangs, and family. We get - I mean, it's - you know, it's - we're just E WOODS: You're able to go out now. But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. Earlonnes average salary is $61,244 per year. After you got out of San Quentin, you and Nigel went to the governor's mansion. Aaron Taylor. And when I went in the second time, my friend Furman Little (ph) was killed the night we were arrested. You - you - you always feel that you're better than getting killed, like you would never get killed. So I still had a 17-year-old mentality. But you look back, and you're looking at it like, I've wasted, like - I can say right now, I'm 47 years old. [7] Co-creators Woods and Antwan Williams were inmates at San Quentin State Prison for the first three seasons of the show. I felt like in Earlonne I found a true professional colleague. Woods and Poor cohost the show while Williams does the show's sound design, working in San Quentin's media lab to record music and effects, including foley work. I mean POOR: No, we're not allowed. And your brother is still in San Quentin. Yes, he can come to my house. So I gave him, you know, a handshake with as much emotion as I could muster POOR: Appropriately. Ear Hustle was a finalist for the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting, and won a Alfred I. duPontColumbia University Award in 2021. E WOODS: I think the mentality is more of crime to you is a job. GROSS: Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor are the co-creators, co-producers and co-hosts of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin. POOR: I know. In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. Nigel Poor assures us the podcast will continue with Earlonne contributing stories from the outside. Earlonne, congratulations on life outside of prison. You may be a changed individual, all the way changed, would never commit another crime. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). GROSS: So this gets back to something you were just saying. E WOODS: But I wouldn't have it no other way. And I always wore black. EARLONNE WOODS: Well, I just keep getting up every morning, you know, thankful that I have another day, thankful that I'm alive, you know? E WOODS: (Laughter) Not no time soon, no. As of now, he works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. In March 2016, the Public Radio Exchange's Radiotopia network put out a call for new podcast ideas via an initiative called Podquest, with funding from the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three Strikes Law, the statute under . Instead of me representing it, Earlonne and I can represent it together. And it was one of them, I guess could you say, moments where you just feel embarrassed about your previous conduct. (SOUNDBITE OF JOHN COLTRANE'S "OUT OF THIS WORLD"). Let's get back to my interview with Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the creators and hosts of the podcast Ear Hustle, featuring interviews with prisoners in San Quentin about their lives and what it's like to be incarcerated. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator with Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. We know because they did a whole episode on getting parole. Woods was raised in South Los Angeles with his parents and his older brother Trevor. And I think - I didn't - I didn't become accustomed to the lifestyle of working or having a job, you know? "When. Here you guys are, poking and - poking and prodding. And I have a lot of friends that's in prison that has 200 years, 300 years to life for maybe attempted second-degree robbery. In fact, when I walk through the yard, one of the things I really like is that people make eye contact. So there's a rule that pertains to the volunteers who come in, and they're not allowed to have, like, close relationships with the prisoners, anything that gets really intimate or emotional. And they say Tyler just took off running. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded, announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.. GROSS: And you basically just described your own situation when you were incarcerated because you got 31 to life for attempted second-degree robbery. In April 1989, a drive-by shooting in San Francisco, CA, left at least 11 people injured, and 2 people dead. And y'all having these intimate conversations about, you know, why you went down this path or what it was like being a survivor, what it was like being this. But that was a case that challenged my desire to not know and to - how to deal with the knowing once it's been presented to you. Those are my partners. The prison also went on lockdown during production, halting work and requiring additional administrative steps to both create and release the audio. Woods has served 21 years of a 31 to life prison sentence. It was a private wedding ceremony, according to accounts. At the time, your brother and your nephew's mother, Tyra, were living what you describe as a life of crime together. POOR: So one of the things is that I really believe that people change. No. And, you know, we was clowning on the phone. Trevor has done 14 years of a 36-year sentence. In 2020, Ear Hustle was named a finalist for a Pulitzer Prize in audio reporting the first time the . They're the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin about their daily lives and their personal stories. It mentally puts you in a whole different space. Hae-soo married his non-celebrity bride on January 14, 2019, according to sources. They fell in love just like anyone else would. Like, I just walked away, you know? And he used to come see me, you know, a lot. It focuses on both the personal and the political, shedding light on issues of mass incarceration and the criminal justice system by telling intimate, humanizing stories, like the tale of one inmates obsession with keeping small critters as pets in his cell or anothers struggle to be intimate with his wife while behind bars. Elevated Entertainment LLC; Host: Hard in the Paint w/Aaron Showtime Taylor. And I was paroled when I was 23, about to turn 24. Woods' sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to tell stories of life behind bars. But, as to being cool with it, it's what it is. GROSS: Are you going to go back and visit him? Author, Project Leader of CHOOSE1 Opinions are my own linktr.ee/Earlonnewoods Posts Reels Videos Tagged Show More Posts from earlonnewoods Other officers got involved. I'd still be sitting in San Quentin in a cell with my brother. So I'm not thinking that it's serious as much as I'm hearing. 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